The union representing teachers doesn't want to be involved in the Governor's plan to evaluate their members...So NYSUT is staying home... NYSUT Withdraws From Teacher Evaluation Confab
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NYSUT never had an intention of supporting meaningful evaluations of its memberships. They played around and lied about it for a while, but when it came right down to it, they opposed all moves toward accountability. Now who, besides Mikey, would have believed otherwise. The education Thugs are not believing what is happening. They never thought people would get to a point where they had the nerve to ask questions. This is the beginning of the end of the dishonest education establishment.
It is funny that so much time is spent on the subject of evaluating teachers that have been through a comprehensive education and tenure system to be where they are.
Meanwhile we have other government jobs where they can put checks in a draw and forget about them and no one ever question that employee's competence to stay in the job.
Are there no incompetent DEC officers or state troopers or correction officers?
"A comprehensive education and tenure system". Now that's the best joke posted in a while. The only thing more impressive than the system you are so proud of is the results that "system" produces. That, along with the money it wastes along the way. Are you suggesting, 7:06, that the "system" is working just fine? What subject do you teach?
9:35, You just made up a bunch of crap I never said. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
To be a teacher they have to go to college for a whole bunch of credit hours and pass the courses and get extra high marks in the content area they are certified in.
Then they have to impress a superintendent in a job interview to get hired and teach for three years before they get tenured.
Every other government job involves a civil service test with low standards and then you are hired for life.
I am not proud of our system but I am proud of you for making that up.
The results of our system are not impressive...at least not to me.
I am not suggesting the system is working just fine...why would you think I was suggesting that?
The subject I teach is problem solving and logic...you fail.
9:53. You defended the system as it is. That's a rare tactic. Even suggesting our current system is "comprehensive" reveals dishonesty. The system you protect is built by the teachers to keep the most unqualified and incompetent in the classroom. It is about job security and union corruption, not about giving our best to our kids. If you indeed teach problem solving and logic you need to rework your lesson plans, O Holy One, as you have produced no observable results. Logic would suggest you adjust your methodology. But you seem more interested in deflecting the criticisms of our golden but failed "system". Considering the failure you've produced, its logical that you would run from the record.
Actually, 9:53, they have to take a bunch of watered down classes that require no real body of knowledge and they do not have to obtain any better grades than any other academic field. Grade inflation pretty much takes care of things though. To get a job they have to have political connections in a school district, not impress anyone. Hiring decisions are usually made on the basis of where one plays golf. At least the civil service system makes a better game of playing fair, though it usually works out much the same way.
I guess you cannot teach logic after all. You either have the intelligence to look at things logically or you do not. 11:48 does not
At no time did I defend the system. I defended one small microscopic part of the system...that the teachers are by in large competent and likely more competent at their jobs than any other demographic of government employees. And the reason for that is that the pathway to becoming a teacher involves more training and filtering.
The education system fails but not because teachers are incompetent. 11:48 gives us the example why education fails...because some people are to stupid to be educated.
You defended the status quo, 11:11 That must mean you're satisfied. You support the way educators are trained, hired, and retained. Run from your statements if you want but that's what you said. The way you deny your own words now makes me think you're not Mikey. I'm thinkin' your Dannie.
By the way it isn't "to" stupid it is too stupid. I'd love it if people would learn that simple rule.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain", he says through his homophone.
"That must mean...blah blah blah" (Only in your brain, scarecrow.)
All I said is that teachers are likely competent. That must mean that armchair ignorant quarterbacks are misguided in their preoccupation with teacher competence. It means nothing more than that. I am not sanctioning any part of the system, other than to recognize that teachers have been through a screening process that results in competent teachers.
I did not sanction that screening process. I did not say there are not much better screening processes imaginable. I did not say that the course work of teachers should not be changed 100% or that the course work is particularly difficult.
9:49 your begining to make me think your the Mayor or one of his down towne buddies.Maybe the Know it all Gun Nut who has all the solutions yet can't even come out of the Blog closet sounds like a coward to me that's its why your not taken seriously....
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NYSUT never had an intention of supporting meaningful evaluations of its memberships. They played around and lied about it for a while, but when it came right down to it, they opposed all moves toward accountability. Now who, besides Mikey, would have believed otherwise. The education Thugs are not believing what is happening. They never thought people would get to a point where they had the nerve to ask questions. This is the beginning of the end of the dishonest education establishment.
It is funny that so much time is spent on the subject of evaluating teachers that have been through a comprehensive education and tenure system to be where they are.
Meanwhile we have other government jobs where they can put checks in a draw and forget about them and no one ever question that employee's competence to stay in the job.
Are there no incompetent DEC officers or state troopers or correction officers?
"A comprehensive education and tenure system". Now that's the best joke posted in a while. The only thing more impressive than the system you are so proud of is the results that "system" produces. That, along with the money it wastes along the way. Are you suggesting, 7:06, that the "system" is working just fine? What subject do you teach?
9:35, You just made up a bunch of crap I never said. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
To be a teacher they have to go to college for a whole bunch of credit hours and pass the courses and get extra high marks in the content area they are certified in.
Then they have to impress a superintendent in a job interview to get hired and teach for three years before they get tenured.
Every other government job involves a civil service test with low standards and then you are hired for life.
I am not proud of our system but I am proud of you for making that up.
The results of our system are not impressive...at least not to me.
I am not suggesting the system is working just fine...why would you think I was suggesting that?
The subject I teach is problem solving and logic...you fail.
Hi Mikey.
9:53. You defended the system as it is. That's a rare tactic. Even suggesting our current system is "comprehensive" reveals dishonesty. The system you protect is built by the teachers to keep the most unqualified and incompetent in the classroom. It is about job security and union corruption, not about giving our best to our kids. If you indeed teach problem solving and logic you need to rework your lesson plans, O Holy One, as you have produced no observable results. Logic would suggest you adjust your methodology. But you seem more interested in deflecting the criticisms of our golden but failed "system". Considering the failure you've produced, its logical that you would run from the record.
Actually, 9:53, they have to take a bunch of watered down classes that require no real body of knowledge and they do not have to obtain any better grades than any other academic field. Grade inflation pretty much takes care of things though. To get a job they have to have political connections in a school district, not impress anyone. Hiring decisions are usually made on the basis of where one plays golf. At least the civil service system makes a better game of playing fair, though it usually works out much the same way.
I guess you cannot teach logic after all. You either have the intelligence to look at things logically or you do not. 11:48 does not
At no time did I defend the system. I defended one small microscopic part of the system...that the teachers are by in large competent and likely more competent at their jobs than any other demographic of government employees. And the reason for that is that the pathway to becoming a teacher involves more training and filtering.
The education system fails but not because teachers are incompetent. 11:48 gives us the example why education fails...because some people are to stupid to be educated.
Hey 6:49 civil (dis) service is a Joke.
You defended the status quo, 11:11
That must mean you're satisfied. You support the way educators are trained, hired, and retained. Run from your statements if you want but that's what you said. The way you deny your own words now makes me think you're not Mikey. I'm thinkin' your Dannie.
By the way it isn't "to" stupid it is too stupid. I'd love it if people would learn that simple rule.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain", he says through his homophone.
"That must mean...blah blah blah"
(Only in your brain, scarecrow.)
All I said is that teachers are likely competent. That must mean that armchair ignorant quarterbacks are misguided in their preoccupation with teacher competence. It means nothing more than that. I am not sanctioning any part of the system, other than to recognize that teachers have been through a screening process that results in competent teachers.
I did not sanction that screening process.
I did not say there are not much better screening processes imaginable.
I did not say that the course work of teachers should not be changed 100% or that the course work is particularly difficult.
9:49 your begining to make me think your the Mayor or one of his down towne buddies.Maybe the Know it all Gun Nut who has all the solutions yet can't even come out of the Blog closet sounds like a coward to me that's its why your not taken seriously....
Calm yourself, Juston. Its a holiday weekend. "Coward, out of the closet..." mixed with homophobia. You hardly sound like a tolerant man. Cheer up.
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